I have just found some solicitor having a rant on Pink Tape about photocopying copies of court orders for LIP clients for court.http://pinktape.co.uk/
This is priceless to think this rant is justified ,when the truth of the matter is, life is difficult enough being LIP ,not to mention the added financial burden of costs for court that nobody dare mentions just incase they end up contributing towards the costs themselves. See JFF Forum they have funds for this now or so somebody told me to put in a claim for expenses.
So the other side of the coin for both the person who is LIP or the MKF who truth be known is , that they to are possibly still left living or existing on the poverty line after being subjected to the long term stress of the case which is above and beyond what any family should have to pay the costs both in terms of financially or otherwise.
This will be more likely to be the case when a parent has over time had a lot of stress above and beyond inflicted upon the m as an applicant trapped in the legal system by length of the time the original case started.
This will be more than likely be dragged out for at least 42 weeks .It is not surprising after the case is dragged out ,the court case has now impacted upon the applicants health.Let’s face it you would be sick after losing your house,and your your job hen your child this is the correct order to put this in some kind of perspective for you. In a desperate attempt to get a fair trial in a Kangeroo court, by the time it dawns on you you have no chance with most solicitors as you try to come to terms the amount of pre -trial appointments for court ,directions hearings other legal hustles , the legal pursuit to get your children home in a no win situation in a closed court most of these solicitors by now you wish you were in a criminal court for shooting them as you try to get rid of a dead weight around your neck ,and the sooner you drop them the better especially if they are Coram based firm of solicitors or Judges. You will be hard pushed to get your full fares for travel to court paid by Coram solicitors.
Then watch out for the pitfalls of being asked to perform for a LIP as a Mackezie Friend.
As a MKF you will find that you are spending more time doing the donkey work by trying to encourage the LIP to type out a statement.You will end up doing this as they are not up to it, or won’t, or can’t do it. It has been my experience to never have a moment free since our case and doing what can best be described as doing the form like a taxi driver tearing round London at rush hour,when all you really want to do it catch up on gardening or have some time out to read a book ,but you get caught out time & time again by the fone ringing, or a message in your inbox some other MKF asking you to do a favour for someone who is you find out (not all are like this just some ) an ungrateful, lying, scheming client, who another MKF has said they have nobody else step will you step in?
Then see what thanks you get for stepping in ,or the grief you get later on for spending your gas money which you had put aside only to find out only when you are sat in court the client has been all talk.
This is another hidden costs to going to court the serious cost of disappointment , you will find out that even though these people can be very presentable ,they are also very consistent in their efforts and they can go on to manipulate many more people after you depart and make your apologies to the court for not being able to stomach another day of reading the facts surrounding the case.
Please whatever you do,do not try to go there with me , trying to “re-classify child abuse with me won’t wash.” I have got very wary of people after my experience and this is so sad, as there are some very worthy cases out there ,and genuine people suffering in silence ,but due to users & players knowing how to monopolize and also polarize the groups this is causing more harm than good to the campaign groups .
Moving on to the paperwork the magic bundles of paperwork , and it is only when you are finally in court sat next to them and see the bundles and I mean a sly quick look if you are so lucky ,this will be at break time or when they run down the nearest chip shop for a greasy feed at lunch break, and leave you there to look after the bundles , only then you see for yourself ,that this case was indeed justified in removing the children who were at risk do you realize what a waste of your time,& money not to mention resources this has been.
My advice is this, if you get a phone call to go in as a MKF at short notice be very wary ,do watch out for being used like a skivvie all day long to carry bundles to court when the client is well able and perfectly capable to carry the bundles themselves and note is a man suppose to be the stronger sex! ( but it will look so much better for them if they have a joey in tow and also be wary of your clients asking you to do this: most of these clients want you to use a dictaphone and record the court session for them as the transcribes costs a small mortgage to get hold of post final hearing.)
Is that the kind of friend you need asking you to break the law, and how far will you go in your duty as a MKF depends entirely on you ?Some people expect far too much out of a MKF that is a FACT !
We mostly carry laptops and are often refused to use them in court for typing documents up for clients, most judges will refuse to let us use them in court,but they sit using their laptops .In Barnett court 1 barrister pointed out for the judge that they are wi fi the local authority barrister was most put out ,as they do not want their dirty insider hustles being picked up by some passer by with a lap top .
Another case I spent nearly £250 towards travel and stay over in a hotel at £95 a night, plus my train fare, which is not like a hell of a lot money to some people ,but considerably a lot more than £20 than this solicitor moaning about costs , but it is a lot if you are not working ,which may I remind this solicitor she is working and getting paid for. I am not working, and I have nobody who I can claim this money back from which is an important point I am raising at least this is saving the taxpayer money and families are having a go at LIP .I can not claim it back from the courts or expect the client to cover the costs I think it kind of makes you look very mean spirited on maybe £75 an hour solicitors fee ,this is to the Miss Pink moaner on Pink Tape blog £5 a sheet for a court order…….
Enough said,LIP was said recently to have gone up 70%
The bottom line is this , I can tell you it is a real struggle for most MKF’s if anything like myself it will be something like my gas bill money spent on supporting a person who is LIP but LIP is here to stay now the legal profession will be lucky to have a job left to moan about if this keeps up .
There is in all fairness a real community spirit going for families ,enough for other families to pull out all the stops and to prevent the legal professionals robbing the public gravy train purse. Why should families put up with bad service , when they are never represent by the firm of solicitors who are whole heartedly or are willing to fight their cases, so this LIP & MKF just kind of brings about an equal sense of chaos back to the courts which they so rightly deserve.
All that law and it is how they use it in secret ,if families have no right to justice they might as well be to go LIP it is nothing but a bare knuckle fight with no respect for either side , and a few odd cases laws quoted for good measure.
Oh and finally when you have your baby Miss Pinky think about the poor mother on YT giving birth screaming in pain and then in court the next day fighting for a return home of her baby , this mother never moans about the £5 costs she just wants to document the crime and show what goes on in a closed court.